
Baker with his family
Well, like last time I’m well overdue for a post-takedown update.
To start, things are going very well. I tell everybody that asks it’s a week by week or month by month thing, definitely not a day by day recovery (especially the first few weeks). I first have to start by again profusely thanking and recognizing my incredible wife for supporting me and our 9 month old son throughout this entire process, she’s been amazing! It’s really important to have a good support structure in place when you go through this surgery, between my wife and family I’ve been spoiled!
After a very enjoyable holidays with my family and ileostomy bag it was time for my reversal. I was scheduled for January 3rd so I didn’t have much time post-holidays. Unlike earlier GI procedures I didn’t have to do a bowel prep (one of the very few advantages) the day before surgery, it was simply clear liquids only. Like any surgery nothing after midnight including water. My procedure was scheduled for first thing in the morning so I had to be at the hospital at 5:30 a.m. for prep. Like last time I ended up waiting for everyone to show-up and get ready and about 8 a.m. (much better than last time when I got bumped by another case) I was wheeled away into surgery. There was a special forces medic present which was pretty cool (Army Rangers), he was watching a number of surgeries for training purposes. I told him the first one would have been much more exciting!
As usual I woke up what seemed like minutes later in the recovery room. I’ve always been pretty quick at shaking off the effects (I’m sure it’s not as quick as I think) of anesthesia and before I knew it I was being wheeled out of recovery to my room. Like last time I was in very good spirits and pretty chatty. No more ileostomy and a neat little 3” incision where it used to be! My surgeon used stitches not staples and he closed the entire incision (I’ve seen others where they leave the middle open to heal naturally). I did read and the surgeon confirmed that there was a much higher risk of infection due to the fact that there is / was stool passing through the ileostomy site. The surgeon told me to look for signs of infection and that unlike my first incision seromas (fluid pockets) that this incision if it did get infected would be an “abcess”. My entire abdominal area was pretty swollen, something I had not really expected as the reversal surgery seemed like such a simple process, this lasted about 7-10 days, and I’m sure contributed to things not moving through as easily as they do now.
My surgeon had also warned me that the pain of this incision would be worse than the much large mid-line incision from the first surgery. He explained that the mid-line incision, while grizzly looking, is not really cutting through muscle but through the connective tissue that hold the abdominal muscles together. During the reversal or takedown they make a cut right through the abdominal muscle and thus it’s much more sore, especially when you move. He was right about the soreness but overall I was in a much better overall mood after this surgery. Getting rid of the ileostomy bag and knowing I was done with surgeries was great. Not to mention I think I was more prepared for a longer recovery after my first surgery and the 14 day hospital stay. I even tried to sleep on my side, unobstructed by my ex-bag, the first night. Rolling was pretty excruciating but so is not being able to get comfortable in the hospital bed when you are forced to lay on your back.
The other good news after my takedown was that I didn’t have a NG tube or bladder catheter. The only tube I had attached was my IV line. I received saline, an antibiotic, and the occasional pain meds. Like last time I stopped taking the more hardcore pain meds in favor of IV Tylenol on about the second day. For both surgeries the IV Tylenol worked great for me, I looked very forward to the next dose and it was easy transition to oral Tylenol later. Not having an NG tube or catheter certainly allowed me more freedom as well. I was up and walking (and chewing gum) and using the bathroom by myself a few hours after surgery. The first time I used the bathroom I had to pee, and of course they wanted me to use the measuring canister. It was hard to go and when I did it burned and I only produced a little urine. I was somewhat worried but then the nurse told me that’s normal, I was confused but she told me that I actually had a bladder catheter in during surgery and they removed it before I woke up, thus the pain. Sure enough by the third or fourth time I went things were fairly normal.
The afternoon the day after the surgery it was time for my first number two in the bathroom. Like everything else I was asked to measure the output using the toilet “hat”. The first output was a small amount of green bile, but it was reason for much rejoicing, mission accomplished. My plumbing was reconnected and working. From this point through the rest of my stay I would say I went every few hours (or more). The output stayed the same, the volume increased as I drank more liquids. It started turning more brown and thickened just slightly once I started eating food on the 4th or 5th days. It was still fairly liquid even when I was discharged but I was told that too would change and I should start taking Metamucil fiber supplements that would also help. The nurses had warned me that as gas moved through my bowels for the first time in a while it could be very painful. I did not experience much gas during my 5 days in hospital and what little I did was not painful at all.
Sleeping is hard work in the hospital, at least for me. A recent poster had made the comment that the hospital “is a great place to heal, but a bad place to recover” and I couldn’t agree more. With no bag and not many tubes poking me I was able to try and sleep on my side and that allowed better sleep than my first stay but it was still not very good. The last night I actually tried sleeping on a roll-away mattress in my room and did so for a few hours. While it’s important to stay at the hospital and “heal” I think it’s also important to get the heck out of there ASAP so you can get home and “recover”. It’s a very fine line however, don’t push it too fast!
My entire hospital stay I was very fearful about developing another ileus like my first surgery. For this reason I took things really slowly, especially introducing foods. On the third day I was cleared to have clear liquids and I ate a fair amount (popsicles, soup, jello) plus drinking liquids. That night when I laid down I started getting really worried. When I laid down I could feel things in my stomach rise in my stomach to the point I started feeling nauseous. I was afraid I had another ileus and that things were backing up again. I even told the nurse it was “inevitable” that I was going to vomit and carried the bed pan around for a few hours. I requested some Nexium and eventually things settled down and I didn’t vomit. I told the doctor the next morning and he agreed it was likely just reflux. Thank goodness, no NG tube necessary and still moving forward to discharge.
After a couple days on clear liquids on my fourth day I progressed to soft foods. I handled everything well but continued to proceed cautiously. Things were getting through but it wasn’t a easy trip. There was lots of rumbling and many trips to the bathroom. As I mentioned things had started to turn brown but remained mainly liquid still. I kept on my rigorous walking schedule and wore out the hospital hallway. On the 5th day I was discharged and told to proceed cautiously. It’s always a joyous day and at least with my surgeries I was more than ready to “escape”. By this point the pain of the incision was getting much better but it was definitely still very sore, it’s amazing but you use your stomach muscles for just about everything! Sneezing was always scary, even 5-10 days after the surgery, the nurses recommended and it helped to hug a pillow to your abdomen when and if you need to sneeze.
After getting home I was very excited about finally getting some much needed sleep. This was tough as the “rumbling” in my stomach was pretty violent. I think it was a combination of gas, food, healing, etc… But the noise and sensation was unmistakable, I told my wife it was a “thunderstorm”. It was if things didn’t flow smoothly through my new plumbing but instead were stopped up would collect and then violently explode through. Good news was things were passing. The pain was minor, kind of felt like a mild cramp, with the occasional sharp more painful cramp. It was enough though to wake me up at night and / or keep me from sleeping, even with sleep aids like Ambien.
After discharge I was fairly careful with my diet, you never want to go back to the hospital but like my last surgery it progressed fairly quickly. I find now that I eat smaller meals and snacks, more often, and I have to be careful to not skip or postpone meals as I then tend to overeat and eat too quickly. I’m also eating bigger breakfasts and smaller dinners, something I probably should have done all along. For the first 2 weeks about every two to three days I would get a “food bolus” or blockage. Fortunately they would typically pass after 4-6 hours and drinking lots of water. I found eating bread was a common culprit. I also started experimenting with Metamucil but I was hesitant due to the frequent temporary blockages to slow things down further. I remember going to my 2-week follow-up pretty disappointed with the progress and the surgeon told me to be patient and things would settle down and start flowing more smoothly, he guessed no more than 2 more weeks. He was right and fortunately for me it was practically the day after my appointment right after the 2 week mark I noticed a fairly dramatic improvement and the calming of my abdominal “thunderstorms”.
Regarding bathroom usage: As I mentioned earlier I was probably using the bathroom 15-20 times a day the first week or so. This started to get better as solid foods were introduced but for the first few weeks was still 10+ per day including 2-3 times at night. I must say going at night definitely affects your sleep as I would typically be in the bathroom for at least 5-10 minutes, by that point your body has woken up and it’s hard to get back to sleep, as opposed to stumbling in there to pee and jumping right back in bed! I was at the 8-10 times a day for probably 2-6 weeks out, at least once at night and thought that might be where I ended up. After things started moving better I started experimenting with Metamucil and now take it twice a day, in the morning and at night before bed, about 1-2 tablespoons. I have not had to take and haven’t experimented much with Imodium. I’ve noticed sometimes it feels as if I can’t empty the entire pouch like I would like to, I would go but then feel shortly thereafter that I would have to go again, sometimes sitting on the toilet longer would help and I would pass more. I also noticed blood occasionally, not in the stool but when wiping or right at the end of my movement. I’ve read from others and was told by my doctor this is common. At about 6-1/2 to 7 weeks I noticed a really positive change with my bowel movements. I went from 8-10 a day to 4-5. That includes not getting up in the middle of the night which is helping my sleep incredibly. I’m definitely more confident I can hold it and won’t have to run to the bathroom. I find myself thinking sometimes I could use the bathroom but then I get side-tracked and I realize hours later I haven’t gone or felt the need to. I also appreciate being able to proactively empty, if I’m going out I can typically use the bathroom so that I know I will not have to use it in the next few hours (some of my friends with colons even appreciate that ability)! I now can typically empty my pouch entirely much more quickly, especially if I haven’t gone in 4-6 hours. The gold standard for me is going to the bathroom and emptying till I pass gas, that tells me the pouch is empty. There are days where I can’t do that and I do feel just slightly bloated and end up using the bathroom more often, lying down after not passing gas sometimes helps. I notice at night once I’m horizontal I can safely pass gas as it moves through my pouch, simple physics I guess, I don’t dare try while standing or sitting.
Butt “burn”: Almost everyone that has commented on j-pouch surgery on this site and others has talked about very painful butt burn. I think I’m a combination of lucky and somewhat well prepared in that I had some minor issues but nothing like others have talked about. I took my own high-quality and very soft toilet paper and baby wipes to the hospital in addition to some of the ointment which I ended up only using once. I also took Blake’s advice and ordered a bidet for home. I bought a retro-fit seat model from Coco model from Bio Life Technologies. I can’t tell you how super impressed and happy I am with its purchase. It was around $300-400 bucks and installs on top of your standard toilet. It took about 15-20 minutes to install, nothing too complicated. It requires power, we had to run an extension cord to the nearest GFCI outlet as outlets typically aren’t located near the toilet. It has 4 or 5 different functions, I use the “wash” function after using the bathroom and it’s amazing and leaves you as clean as if you’ve just got out of the shower. Between the bidet seat and plenty of baby wipes I’ve for the most part avoided the dreaded burn.
At about 6 weeks I started exercising again. I’ve run about half a dozen times and I’m already back up to 30 minutes. I also hit the exercise bike and do some yoga about twice a week. I’m going to try to keep off the weight I lost during my surgeries and get ready for a very active Spring / Summer season.
All in all I’m feeling pretty damn good considering all that has happened. It’s a very tough process but to be honest if it stayed like this I would be very pleased, but I’m hoping it gets even better as my body continues to adjust. I’m a Chipotle restaurant addict (while the food is spicy it’s all organic) and I’ve cut out the burrito in favor of chicken soft tacos, that typifies all the other small changes after a surgery like this, it’s different but not much. Honestly, had I known some of the difficulties I would have had with my first surgery I probably could not have forced myself to do this. However as it’s in the past, we humans have an amazing ability to shove bad memories way back in our brains so that we tend to forget. I no longer have UC, I’m off all the meds, I’m exercising, and have an above normal quality of life! I know there are risks to this surgery and there are people out there that have had complications (all be it rare) but it’s a long messy surgery and recovery but in my case it’s worth it!
As a final thought, I am also getting very actively involved in my local Crohn’s & Colitis Foundation of America (CCFA) chapter. My company sponsored their “Super Bowel 5K” (held Super Bowl Sunday), I’ve signed up and am putting a team together for the “Take Steps” fundraiser, and should my progress continue I’m going to run one of the CCFA Team Challenge half-marathons. Too many people affected by UC (and Crohns) are afraid to talk about it but it’s amazing how many people have it or are close to someone who does. And like many other avid supporters of CCFA I do believe there is a cure out there, we just have to find it!
Good luck to all the others out there suffering from colitis, we all have a different path. If surgery becomes part of your solution please don’t hesitate to contact me if you have any questions or concerns you would like to discuss!
written by Baker
read all of Baker’s stories here: http://www.ihaveuc.com/author/baker/


March 7, 2013 at 10:15 am
Baker, thanks so much for your update. I’m about 3 weeks post takedown surgery, and I’m still having a hard time. Your update gave me hope that there’s still more time and healing to be done. Like u, I was in the hospital for 14 days for my first surgery. Unfortunately, unlike you, I was there for 11 days after this one. I needed the ng tube, which I somehow avoided the first time, and the catheter for days. It was awful. I’m so glad you’re feeling well and that you can see how far you’ve progressed. I’m hoping the same for me. Best of luck as you continue to heal!
March 7, 2013 at 5:51 pm
Christine, good luck, I was still very worried and skeptical at 3 weeks post takedown. You’ll have your milestones and things will get much better, the 6 week mark has been magic for me both surgeries. And like I tell everyone its week by week or even month to month, definitely don’t worry day to day, keep focused on the big picture!
March 7, 2013 at 10:43 am
Baker,
Once again, you are amazing, and I’m sure you are going to continue to improve moving forward. Keep up the positive spirits, and best of luck to you and you family in the weeks and months to come!
(And good luck with all your work with CCFA!!! Maybe you’ll get in on the Vegas Half Marathon someday???:)))
-Adam
March 7, 2013 at 5:19 pm
Baker it is so great to hear that you are doing so well and i hope it continues to get even better
also thanks for sharing your story and tips for j-pouch. I am looking at having my colon removed this summer and get a j-pouch and I am scared to death but I guess living with this disease and meds is scary too! I appreciate all the detail you provided because it helps me get a better idea of what it might be like once my j-pouch gets hooked up.
I also hope to start getting involved and meet/help others with this crummy disease
March 7, 2013 at 5:54 pm
Sucks to have to have the surgery but I read your post and definitely sounds like your best option at this point! I too scheduled the surgery months out, the waiting and pondering was difficult, I often wished I had just gone ahead and done it. However it’s always nice to know what’s going to happen so you (and your family) will be fully prepared!
March 8, 2013 at 4:16 pm
Baker…Congrats and continued progress. Great detailed update to your other posts. Healthy thoughts! Shelly.
March 9, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Baker, thanks so much for your update. I was wondering how well you did, and by reading others experience with J-pouch, I know a little more of what to expect.
I have consulted my surgeon, and he has mentioned to me that there are two ways they can do this. One way is to leave a little bit of anal canel (about 1.5 cm), which reduces the rate of leakages, but I have to get the area checked out for cancer every year. Advantage of this method would be reduced rate of leakages. Another is to remove complete rectum including anal canel but only leave the sphincer muscle. The advantage is no risk of developing cancer but increased rate of leakage. Which one did you opt for?
Do you know the rate of pochitis? There are some people out there who get chronic pouchitis, ending up getting the J-pouch removed opting for permanent illiosotmy.
I am scared of two issues post-op: ending up to have Chrones, and chronic pouchitis which would require strong medications just like UC days, and needing to get the permanent illiostomy.
Were you scared of these risks I just mentioned before deciding on whether or not to get the surgery? Also after the surgery, how long did it take for you to be able to go for grocery shopping or doing the house chores post-surgery?
I am very glad that surgeries worked out well for you! (I dont think I can bring myself to go for the surgery…what made you decided the surgery was for you, knowing those risks?)
Thank you for sharing your personal experience with the rest of the people here.
March 10, 2013 at 4:41 pm
I think there are a number of tests available to test for Crohns, I had one done at Mayo but I can’t remember the specifics, some sort of special “panel”. I don’t think they are entirely accurate, I was slightly more at risk of developing Crohns like symptoms based on one test but it was a 5-10% likelihood. My surgeon dismissed the tests, I’m not sure if he did because they’re inaccurate or he was just trying to get me to not worry.
I did talk to my surgeon about the “cuff” length as I had some bleeding post-op and thought it might be cuffitis. He said with the new surgical staples and procedures the cuff length left is very small. I haven’t heard about leaving a longer amount for better control or to reduce leakage. I haven’t had any real issues with leakage thank goodness, except for once right after surgery. I can imagine its not pleasant but don’t know if I would make a decision on the surgical process to reduce leakage, I just don’t think you have to. Have you consulted with another surgeon?
Finally, regarding pouchitis, I don’t think there is anything you can do to tell if you are likely to experience this or not. You’re right some people, although very rare, get chronic pouchitis, I think many more never get pouchitis at all. And I don’t think cuff length has anything t do with it.
Good luck, hope this helps, let me know if you have any other questions.
-Chris
March 11, 2013 at 2:53 am
I saw a forum dedicated for ostomate…there are a few people choosing ostomies instead of J-pouch reason being that only sure way to get rid of UC, ostomy is the answer for them. If I go throgh the surgeries (especially 2 surgeries that quite a lot…), I want to make sure no UC would return…
I am currently on Prograph (which is better version of Imuran), but its pretty strong and I would not want to risk developing lymphoma. Did you take Imuran for sometime, how long were you on it? I am afraid I am weak to infections by being on immunosuppressant for a long time. I live in a big city where I have to take trains to commute and I am wearing masks so I wont get bugs. How was it for you when you took immunosuppressant?
Would you go back to an ostomy if you have to? I am also thinking ostomy is better than J-pouch, I wont know what to explain to my employer regarding two surgeries to my employer.
Just to keep my options open, I am going to see another surgeon. I can go and get the best surgery from other doctors but its another state. I wouldnt know what I would do if I get post op. isses if I have to travel by plane once I am home. Just curious after colorectomy how long did you take to be able to do things on your own, like landry and yard work for example? I wonder how long I would have to take some time off to recover post surgery.
8 weeks post-op, can you eat what you want? Can you eat greasy food once in a while?
March 11, 2013 at 5:06 am
I was on Remicade, Predisone, and during and after flares Imuran. And while I know those were all immuno suppressors I never found I was more prone to getting sick, thank goodness. I did exercise and eat well so I’m sure that helped. In talking to a few of my doctors they said I should be more concerned with long term Prednisone use than worry about the others.
I think all J-pouchers know they might have to go back to a pouch but I certainly wouldn’t choose to do so. I think the technology and experience with the entire j-pouch procedure is very good these days and while it’s not an easy surgery the vast majority of patients are very happy with the results.
I chose not to travel to have my surgery completed, like you said, a lot of follow-ups, and for me it would have been hard on my family. I would safely say 4-6 weeks off work after your first surgery, and 2 after the take-down. I was fairly self-sufficient after a week or two but they don’t want you lifting more than 10 pounds for at least 6 weeks with the abdominal incisions.
8 weeks post-op I am basically eating what I want, although I have to be careful and use some common sense. Greasy food, spicy food, no problem every once in a while.
March 12, 2013 at 8:43 am
“I think all J-pouchers know they might have to go back to a pouch but I certainly wouldn’t choose to do so”
If you dont mind me asking, why do you all know that you have to go back to the pouch?? Are you refering to the case of developing chrnoic pochitis or failure of J-pouch?
Was it very hard to live with an ostomy??
I understand you have to empty middle of the night?
Its the risk I am really afraid of. What if complications occur even after 2 surgeries, tone of pain and time off from work, I end up having chronic pouchitis or narrowing of the area sawn up, only to end up with a permanent illiostomy.
I am just trying to understand the pros and cons. Was ostomy so difficult to live?
I dont quite understand why people choose J-pouch almost as a default option. My GI said even if I have sugery I am at risk of getting pouchitis and some suffer from chronic one, where they have to use UC medication again. Apologies for many questioions.
Once I have surgeries it would really be disappointing to end up with UC like symptom again (bleeding, urgencies…etc), if that happens for me it would be a hell I think.
March 12, 2013 at 7:46 pm
My point was if they do develop chronic pouchitis or other complications you might end up with a permanent ostomy bag, it’s a very small risk but one that exists. Once you’ve lived with the bag I don’t think it’s as bad as most people expect, but it was definitely something I was very looking forward to getting removed. Again, I think chronic pouchitis and pouch failures are very uncommon.
Sleep wasn’t say but now after about 6 weeks pot asked own I’m easily sleeping all night long. I occassionally get up to go but no more than before my surgery.
It’s a big decision, keep investigating and researching, and make the right decision for you!
March 15, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Hi Ellen,
I had a blood test called the promitheous. It is a good test that will point to Crohns or UC. I had my colon removed at the Cleveland Clinic in January and they were able to determine by examining it right away that I had UC and not Crohns. If it is UC then you should be cured but if it is Crohns it will attack the J Pouch. I chose the 3 stage surgery because they only make a 4 inch incision across your abdomen for each surgery of the long horizontal cut. Either way I think both ways work well but there is a longer time till take down with the 3 stage. I agree with Baker that after you adjust to having “the bag” life really is not that bad but it is something that I do not want to keep. A big key to your success is to make sure you choose a surgeon and a hospital that do these surgeries on a daily basis rather than on occasion.
March 16, 2013 at 1:20 am
Mike, thanks so much for letting me know about the test “promitheous”, I am going to ask my doctor. I appreciate other surgical advice too. Most of the surgery consult I visited is 2 steps, unless I am very ill. Its still a very scary thing and a big decision but you are right, getting the procedures done from hospital who does it all the time increase the success factor. Very informational, thank you!
March 16, 2013 at 3:59 am
Hi Baker,
I am 10 days post takedown and it has been miserable so far. I’m experiencing horrendous spams all the time and continually have the urge to go to the washroom. I’m wondering if you experienced anything like this and if the pouch will ever start to adjust?
Thanks,
Chris
March 16, 2013 at 7:31 am
Chris, I sure did! Right up to two weeks, I can’t say when I felt them I had to use the bathroom but it was bad enough I couldn’t sleep and you could her them across the room. I had a follow-up with my surgeon at 2 weeks out and that was my biggest issue, he said it might be up to a few more weeks until it went away, however fortunately for me they got much better the very next day. My next breakthrough was around 6-7 weeks where I went from going 8-12 times a day to more like 4-6. I think it’s all part of the healing process and then time as the pouch expands and your body adjusts. Hang in there, I expect you’ll see dramatic improvement shortly like I did!
March 25, 2013 at 7:12 am
Chris, just wanted to follow-up and see how things were going now that’s it been another week, any improvement?
March 29, 2013 at 3:29 pm
Hey Baker, good to hear about your success! I had my takedown a week ago and have been having trouble with things passing through. It’s almost like I’m a bit constipated. Did you experience some trouble emptying at first? I’ve been reading about strictures, but I hope it’s just inflammation from having the surgery so recently. That and the butt burn, those are my only concerns. Thanks!
April 1, 2013 at 5:42 am
Anthony, yes things did not flow easily at first. I would have very frequent movements with little to no progress, the less you pass the more often you end up going to the bathroom to try. It does get much better and I think as your doctor told you try to hold it. I had better luck (can’t remember when) holding it and then passing larger movements than I did with multiple smaller movements. I think something about the pouch construction and just being so new makes it hard to empty when there is just a small amount in there. My first big improvement was at about 2 weeks when a lot of the gurgling and spasms stopped and things definitely started moving more smoothly and consistently.
I’ve fought the butt burn with the Coco bidet toilet seat, an awesome invention, and plenty of sensitive wet wipes!
Good luck!